Froyd’s Rants
SCHIP
why do we have universal health care coverage for seniors (medicare) and not for children? Economically, it makes more sense to get universal health care for the chillens…they’ve got a good 50 years of tax paying ahead of them.
apparently, seniors get health care because they can vote…unlike the lil’ chillens.
We almost did…
Bush vetoed it. It was gonna cost the tobacco industry too much, because it would have been paid for by a hike in cigarette taxes.
Cheap smokes are more important than children’s health care.
Comment by Michael — 10/18/2007 @ 11:45 pmSince I am an oldster (I don’t happen to like that title)I feel that I should comment on this. Why should the children have universal health care- WHERE ARE THEIR PARENTS? Why should my taxes pay for a someone’s elses child’s healthcare - I had no say in their appearing on this earth. Who says these children - if they did get universal healthcare -are going to pay taxes for the rest of their lives? Hmm?
Comment by Olster from MN — 10/19/2007 @ 4:59 amAs to Medicare - that doesn’t cover much - so the oldsters have to have a supplemental insurance plan (or live off their children) in order to survive or they lose everything they have worked for all their lives . And remember the majority of “OLDSTERS” have been paying for MEDICARE all their working lives, plus alot of benefits for everyone that a bunch of crazy liberals have borrowed from the oldsters Medicare Savings Account to pay for.
Take Minnesota for example we have healthcare for children in the form of Medicare….instead of a Federal childrens healthcare plan - maybe each state should be responsible for their own children or maybe***horrors of horrors*** parents should be held accountable for their own children’s healthcare???????
Whoops! that should be Medicaid in Minnesota not Medicare>
Comment by Olster from MN — 10/19/2007 @ 5:01 amHopefully they’ll be able to compromise over the next two weeks in order to make the bill happen.
Comment by Jess — 10/19/2007 @ 6:59 amI don’t care what happened, it shouldn’t even have to be thought about. It really is a no brainer.
Comment by Froyd — 10/19/2007 @ 7:06 ambecause obviously these parents are being unreliable…should they have children in their economic straits? No. But they do anyway. Now the question is why should the kids suffer because parents made extremely bad decisions? Can the kids protect themselves from these kind of shenanigans?
Sure medicare doesn’t cover much, but it DOES cover something. Also, the plan, SCHIP wouldn’t have been paid for by your taxes…unless you’re a smoker.
So, let me see here…alcoholics get tax money in order to live with their disability, and yet, in the same society, we can’t put taxes towards making sure kids have the same type of coverage?
Let me clarify: I have no problem with medicare, but it seems to me that in a society AS RICH AND WELL OFF AS OURS, we shouldn’t let kids go by the way side just to teach their parents a lesson about responsibility.
Comment by Froyd — 10/19/2007 @ 7:16 amThe Canadian has all the health coverage she needs, and mocks you Americans. Muahahaha! (I’m evil)
Comment by Marieke — 10/19/2007 @ 7:53 amCome on! If you honestly believe the government is going to pay for all the children’s health care with taxes from cigarette smokers you really have to have your head in a very dark place!!!!!
Comment by Olster from MN — 10/19/2007 @ 8:58 amCourse I spose they could deplete the social security money even more…..Let us take money away from the oldsters and give it to the children - after oldsters aren’t worth as much anymore AND they put such a burden on society and all with their need for Medicare. Just think of the money that could be saved!
now you’re being illogical.
This specific plan (SCHIP) was designed to run on tax money from cigarrettes. obviously this is a short term solution to the problem.
Also, I never said take money away from the seniors, not even sure where THAT came from. It’s like you’re not even reading my responses.
Comment by Froyd — 10/19/2007 @ 10:02 amI love the greed demonstrated by so many whenever it comes to any sort of plan that benefits society. “I don’t want my tax dollars paying for…”
Well, given that option… I don’t want my tax dollars paying for a war in Iraq.
Also, social security is its own separate fund. Its not paid for out of our federal taxes, but out of our social security taxes. So, no need to worry about social security being further depleted by the program.
Although it could potentially cut into that blood for oil program by a few percentage points.
Comment by Michael — 10/19/2007 @ 10:40 amYou may want to remember that though our social security is a separate fund - the govt. feels no compunction in borrowing from that fund….
Comment by Olster from MN — 10/19/2007 @ 10:57 amThere are some provisions for children’s health care with WIC and Medicaid.
I worry more about families who do not qualify for Medicaid but also cannot obtain insurance.
That was me. We worked for a company with less than 50 employees and my health record kept denying us coverage.
Comment by Loralee — 10/19/2007 @ 1:32 pmHard working, employed and unable to get health coverage (Just in case Oldster is wondering “WHERE WAS I, THE PARENT” again. Now you know where I was. Stuck in hell.)
yes, because so many people are refused their social security on a daily basis…
I mean, my parents social security checks have been late never amount of times because of all that borrowing from the fund.
Comment by Michael — 10/20/2007 @ 5:25 am[...] potential (our nation, in this most important sense, is not egalitarian). On the recent debate at Froyd’s Mutterings, for example, I agree that all children ought to be afforded adequate, free medical attention. [...]
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Comment by Froyd — 10/21/2007 @ 1:00 pmOh, weird. Kinda cool, but I didn’t exactly know that my quote would be chopped up and hi-jacked by a computer program.
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